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Post by SteveDale on Wed Jun 10, 2009 8:37 am

I am a Rochdale fan but spend a lot of time watching Premiership football with my Man Utd and Liverpool supporting mates. Over the years i have noticed, as you probably have too, how big decisions tend to go in favour of the big teams. With this in in mind i kept track of bad decisions involving the 'Big 4' in 2008/09 to see if they really do 'even out over the course of a season'. I have more info about Man Utd and Liverpool as i tend to watch more of these games so Chelsea and Arsenal fans feel free to add...

MANCHESTER UNITED.
13/09/08
Liverpool 2 Man Utd 1
Vidic not given straight red for elbow on Alonso, only given 2nd yellow so only gets one game ban when it should be three games. Any Vidic involvement in the 2 games when he should be banned needs to be accounted for.

21/09/08
Chelsea 1 Man Utd 1
Blatant Ronaldo dive ignored when it should have been a booking. He was booked later on for dissent so should miss next game against Bolton.

27/09/08
Man Utd 2 Bolton 0
The most ridiculous penalty decision of the season. Samuel makes a perfect tackle on Ronaldo (who should be banned; see above) and Rob Styles, who is 5 yards away gives a penalty. This turns what was looking a comfortable point for Bolton into 3 for Man Utd as Bolton are forced to push forward looking for the equaliser and so concede a second.
Actual Score 1-0 Dodgy Goals awarded: 1

4/10/08
Blackburn 0 Man Utd 2
A cross comes into the Blackburn box and Vidic (Who should still be banned) puts his elbow into the Blackburn keeper’s throat preventing him from jumping to claim the ball. The ball goes over them and Brown nods into an empty net. Everybody in football is agreed that the goal should not have stood.
Actual Score 0-1 Dodgy Goals Awarded: 1

11/01/2009
Man Utd 3 Chelsea 0
The first game after Rafael Benitez’s claims that Man Utd get favourable treatment from referees.
Man Utd are penalised for a quickly taken corner which they score from. Clever but Rooney didn’t inform the linesman who didn’t realise what was going on and flagged for the corner not being taken inside the arc. From the following corner they score again after Ronaldo shoves Carvalho to the floor preventing him from jumping and clearing the corner. This comes shortly after a United claim for a penalty when Ronaldo and Carvalho are hold of each other but on closer inspection it seems that Ronaldo actually trips over his own foot.
The third Man Utd goal comes after Vidic employs an American football style blocking technique to prevent both Terry and Dos Santos tracking Berbatov who then has a simple tap in.
In the first half Rooney makes a trademark reckless angry challenge from behind after losing the ball and takes out a Chelsea player. The referee calls over Rooney who ignores him and walks away throwing his arm up in the air in a dismissive gesture. When he eventually goes back to the ref he tells him to f**k off 3 or 4 times and continues to do this for the rest of the game. Despite this being a blatant booking he escapes punishment. 2 minutes later Bosingwa challenges Rooney and wins the ball but with minimal contact Rooney goes down with a what can only be described as a dive and Bosingwa is booked immediately. Rooney is booked later on which equates to a sending off. Any Rooney contribution in the next game against Wigan should be taken into account.
Ronaldo also gets away with a terrible challenge on Frank Lampard’s shin whilst he is on a booking. No punishment. Credit to Lampard who tries to get straight back up, but if it had been roles reversed Ronaldo would surely have been writhing around in an attempt to get Lampard sent off. Any Ronaldo contribution in the next game against Wigan should be taken into account.

Actual Score 1 – 0 Dodgy Goals awarded: 2

14/01/2009
Man Utd 1 Wigan 0
The only goal of the game is scored by Rooney from a Ronaldo cross. Both players should have been suspended after the Chelsea game (see above).

Actual Score 0 - 0
Points Gained: 2 Dodgy Goals awarded: 1

17/01/2009
Bolton 0 Man Utd 1
Tevez clearly handles the ball down into his stride and goes on to cross for Berbatov to score the only goal of the game in the 90th minute. The handball is spotted by the crowd but the ref and linesman choose to allow play to continue despite only being 5 yards away.

Actual Score 0 – 0
Points Gained: 2 Dodgy Goals Awarded: 1

27/01/2009
West Brom 0 Man Utd 5
The game is balanced at 0-1 when Paul Robinson and Park Ji Sung contest a loose ball. Both players challenge in the same manner, hard and one footed and Robinson comes away with the ball. But Park stays down. The referee Rob Styles stops play immediately and without a seconds thought gives Robinson a straight red card.
Update: The Paul Robinson is later removed by FA, but too late to change the result.
In the same week the red card Vidic received in the Club World Cup Final for deliberately elbowing a player in the face is downgraded from a 3 to a 1 game ban meaning he is available for the second leg of the Champions League game against Inter Milan.

21/02/2009
Man Utd 2 Blackburn 1
Man Utd have a seemingly good goal disallowed when Evans heads in but the referee spots a push by Ronaldo. This seems a harsh decision but it should be remembered that Man Utd scored a goal in the opposite fixture at Ewood when Vidic had his elbow in the Blackburn goalkeepers throat.
Ronaldo is booked for diving minutes after he petulantly kicks out (again! 3rd time this season) at David Dunn after Dunn makes a clean tackle. The referee sees it but chooses not to book Ronaldo, meaning that the FA cannot look at the incident after the game. The dive should have resulted in Ronaldo’s sending off but instead he goes on to score the winner with a free kick that he had moved forward 8 yards from the place of the actual foul. This goal should not stand as Ronaldo should not have been on the pitch to take it and any Ronaldo contribution in the next game should be taken into account.
Blackburn are not given a penalty when Pedersen breaks though but Rafael Da Silva’s hands all over his shoulders means he goes down. Pedersen says “You don’t want to go down at Old Trafford, you want to score a goal.”Rafael’s arms went straight up after he had pulled at Pedersen, his body language an immediate indication of guilt.
Actual Score 2 -2
Opposition Penalty not given: 1 Good Goals disallowed: 1
Points Gained: 2

In the wake of yet another incident of Ronaldo kicking out after losing the ball cleanly it should be noted that when Shaun Wright Phillips of Manchester City did exactly the same to Rory Delap of Stoke City (the only difference being that the original challenge by Delap was actually a foul) the FA give Wright Phillips a retrospective 3 game ban after viewing the TV replays.

21/03/2009
Fulham 2 Man Utd 0
Just before Fulham’s second goal Dickson Etuhu escapes any punishment for an extremely high foot; a free kick at least should have been given.
There is debate over Rooney’s second yellow card but he throws the ball aggressively towards the referee; if it had been his first booking there would be no debate.
Actual score 1 – 0
Good Goals Disallowed: 1

25/04/2009
Man Utd 5 Tottenham 2
Ronaldo kicks out for the 4th time this season after being tackled cleanly. Yet again he escapes the booking and is later booked for taking his shirt off to celebrate a goal.
Tottenham are leading 2-0 when early in the second half Howard Webb gives what Harry Redknapp describes as a ‘gift’ of a penalty after Gomes clearly wins the ball at the feet of Michael Carrick. Nobody can quite believe it is given and it proves to be the pivotal moment of the game and possibly the season. It is also the second most ridiculous penalty of the season the first being in the same area against Bolton.
The second goal comes after Rafael climbs all over Modric to win a header; Webb has his whistle in his mouth but plays the advantage which everyone thinks is to see if Tottenham get the ball. Man Utd win it, Webb changes his mind and Rooney goes on to score the equaliser.
Actual Score 3 – 2
Dodgy Goals Awarded: 2
10/05/2009
Man Utd 2 Man City 0
The first Man Utd goal comes directly from a free kick given when Stephen Ireland wins the ball cleanly and fairly from Berbatov but the referee deems it a foul.
Actual Score 1 – 0
Dodgy Goal awarded: 1

13/05/2009
Man Utd 2 Wigan 1
With the score at 1-1 the ball clearly strikes Berbatov and goes out for a goal kick. Berbatov shows his frustration but begins to make his way with the rest of the players back into position for a goal kick. To the surprise of everyone the ref gives a corner and 40 seconds later Man Utd score what turns out to be the winning goal and a pivotal one in terms of the Championship.


Total -8 points Dodgy Goals Awarded: 9
Goals disallowed: 2
Opposition goals/penalties not given: 3

Conclusion
Man Utd have a lot to thank referees for this season. Ronaldo and Rooney’s continual getting away with kicking out at opponents, diving, elbowing and general abuse of referees continues and unless this is clamped down on youngsters will think this is an acceptable part of the game.
The two most controversial penalty decisions of the Premiership season both occur at the same end of Old Trafford in favour of the home team and although these don’t result in the only goals of the games they are certainly pivotal moments which arrive just as Man Utd need them and as a consequence they go on to claim the 3 points in each game.
Blackburn and Bolton can feel particularly hard done by as all their games against Man Utd are pretty much decided by refereeing decisions.
It is also interesting to note that throughout the entire season not a single major decision results in Man Utd losing points, a quite incredible statistic that makes a mockery of claims that ‘these decisions even themselves out over the course of a season’.
Another thing that should be noted is that Man Utd were ‘drawn’ to play all the top 9 teams from 2007/08 at home in the second half of this season.

Removing the 8 points gained and taking into account the points lost by Liverpool and Chelsea, Man Utd would finish in 3rd place.


Continued....


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Re: Refereeing decisions last season

Post by SteveDale on Wed Jun 10, 2009 8:38 am

LIVERPOOL

20/09/08
Liverpool 0 Stoke City 0
Perfectly good Gerrard free kick ruled out for no reason.
Actual score 1-0
Points lost 2

13/12/08
Liverpool 2 Hull City 2
Phil Brown has complaints about both Liverpool goals; the first goal it would seem that Riera does foul a defender but there is no foul for the second one.
Hulls first goal comes from a free kick won by a dive after a late Hyypia challenge so this can stand but their second goal after a ridiculous foul given gainst Carragher when he won the ball cleanly and fairly. Hull should also have had a penalty when Mascherano slid and handled a Hull City cross.
Actual score 1 -2
Points gained:1

26/12/2008
Liverpool 3 Bolton 0
Agger makes a nasty 2 footed challenge but escapes with a yellow card when it should have been a straight red. Any Agger contribution in the next three games needs to be accounted for.

19/01/2009
Liverpool 1 Everton 1
Liverpool are denied a clear penalty (By Howard Webb, the same ref from the Man Utd v Chelsea game a week earlier) when Torres is clattered from behind by Tony Hibbert. There could also be a case made for another penalty later on when 2 Everton defenders are all over Hyypia and the ball strikes one of their arms.
Everton claim a penalty when Anichebe goes down extremely easily under a Skrtel challenge just seconds after having enough strength to shove Alonso off the ball and virtually into the stand. The consensus after the game is that Anichebe dived with Graham Poll saying that he would like to have seen him booked for it.
Actual Score 2 – 1
Points Lost: 2

01/02/2009
Liverpool 2 Chelsea 0
In the midst of a terrible refereeing performance from Mike Riley Frank Lampard is wrongly shown a straight red card for a challenge on Xabi Alonso when it could have been a yellow at worst for either player. Steven Gerrard escapes a booking when he dives to try and win a free kick on the edge of the Chelsea area. He later receives a booking so any Gerrard contribution in the next game against Everton must be accounted for.
Amazingly Bosingwa avoids a straight red when he studs Benayoun’s spine in the dying seconds; somehow a Chelsea throw-in is given in response and the FA later refuse to take any action because the linesman claims he saw the incident but didn’t see any thing wrong!


06/02/2009
Portsmouth 2 Liverpool 3
Liverpool are denied a goal with the score at 1-1 when Kuyt is put through and scores but is flagged offside when he is level. Earlier a Portsmouth goal was allowed to stand even though Nugent is in exactly the same position when he is put through.
There is also a shout for a Portsmouth penalty when Agger slips and handles but the consensus is that this would have been very harsh.
Actual score 2 – 4
Goals disallowed: 1

22/02/2009
Liverpool 1 Manchester City 1
Liverpool are not given a clear penalty when a Benayoun header is going into the empty net and Richard Dunne stretches his arm out to make a ‘save’. The consensus from pundits is that it is a penalty whether deliberate or not (stretching an arm certainly seems deliberate) because he has used his arm to stop a certain goal.
Actual Score 2 – 1
Pen not given:1 Points lost: 2

25/02/2009
Hull City 1 Liverpool 3
Hull feel aggrieved that the Liverpool are given a free kick on the edge of the area when Mascherano falls over easily. Alonso then scores when his kick hits the wall then he volleys the rebound. However earlier in the build up the ref had played an advantage after a terrible challenge on Benayoun.
The second Liverpool goal is scored after a Lucas handball so this should be ruled out.
Folan’s sending off for kicking at Skrtel after he thinks he should have been given a foul for obstruction is warranted.
Actual Score 1 – 1
Dodgy Goals Awarded: 2
Points gained: 2

05/05/2009
Liverpool 3 Newcastle 0
Liverpools first goal by Benayoun is offside
Actual Score 2 – 0
Dodgy goals awarded: 1

Total +3
Goals disallowed/Penalties not given: 4
Dodgy Goals Awarded: 4

Conclusion
Liverpool certainly seem hard done by this season. They have had a number of decisions go in their favour but these are outweighed by some critical refereeing mistakes in the draws against Everton and Manchester City costing them 4 points.
Adding on the 3 points lost and taking into account the 8 points Man Utd should remove would result in Liverpool finishing as Champions.


CHELSEA

22/08/08
Wigan 0 Chelsea 1
Cech shove on Boyce – no penalty given when it was blatant.
Actual score 1-1

Points gained: 2
Opposition Pen not given: 1

30/11/08
Chelsea 1 Arsenal 2
Arsenal’s first goal scored by Van Persie was at least a metre offside
Actual score 1-1
Dodgy Goals conceded: 1

Points lost: 1

01/02/2009
Liverpool 2 Chelsea 0
In the midst of a terrible refereeing performance from Mike Riley Frank Lampard is wrongly shown a straight red card for a challenge on Xabi Alonso when it could have been a yellow at worst for either player. Steven Gerrard escapes a booking when he dives to try and win a free kick on the edge of the Chelsea area and amazingly Bosingwa avoids a straight red when he studs Benayoun spine in the dying second; somehow a Chelsea throw in is given in response.

06/02/2009
Chelsea 0 Hull City 0
Chelseas are denied a blatant penalty when a defender clearly deflects a Mikel shot away with his arm. A shocking decision.
Actual score 1 – 0
Points lost: 2
Pen not given: 1

21/03/2009
Tottenham Hotspur 1 Chelsea 0
In the final minutes of the game a Lampard header is deflected away from an open goal by a Spurs defenders hand. This only becomes evident after replays, Lampard makes no claim for a penalty and it is impossible for the referee or linesman to see.

Total: +1 point
Pen not given: 1 Opposition pen not given: 1

Conclusion
The one point deficit would have been the difference in finish in second place above Man Utd. It should be noted that the worst decision of Chelsea’s league season was the blatant handball against Hull which came at a time when they were in the mix with Man Utd and Liverpool for the title.
They also suffered the worst refereeing performance of the season against Barcelona in the Champions league semi meaning that they wouldn’t face Man Utd in the final.


ARSENAL

30/11/08
Chelsea 1 Arsenal 2
Arsenal’s first goal scored by Van Persie was at least a metre offside
Actual score 1-1
Points Gained: 2

04/05/2009
Portsmouth 0 Arsenal 3
Arsenal are given a penalty when a Portsmouth player clearly wins the ball and despite Arshavin telling the referee it was a corner not a penalty.
Actual Score 0 – 2

Total -2 points
Dodgy Goals Awarded: 1 Dodgy pen given: 1

Conclusion
Not a lot of controversy here, the 2 points they should have had would not have made any difference to the final table.

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Post by Blackburnbob on Wed Jun 10, 2009 8:42 am

I only really got the Manu Rovers game for obvious reasons but i think your spot on with that one. Should have been a draw for sure. Something i noticed throughout that game and the commenetators mentioned also was, the ref would do a play-on from a slight tackle but up to 30 seconds after play-on had commenced if Rooney or Ronaldo complained (e.g. favour was lost) the ball was being brought back, i was disgusted with this, but the ref was sure a red on that day!
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Post by Brian on Wed Jun 10, 2009 9:23 am

You're making some outrageous assumptions on a lot of these. For instance, if Ronaldo gets booked earlier in the game for diving, you can bet your bottom dollar he wouldn't get booked for the same dissent later on that he did. If you change one thing, the rest of the match will change too - you can't just change something and assume everything will play out the same.

And as for the Wigan game - you can't just say Rooney and Ronaldo should have been suspended, so Rooney's goal is "dodgy." Who are you to say no one else would have scored? So United simply wouldn't have picked up all three points there? Not only is this assuming that United couldn't have won, but it's taking your assumptions from a previous game and applying it to a further game.

I don't mean to be harsh, but this is all a bit desperate and it's been done before in a much more logical manner by The Right Result.

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Post by Blackburnbob on Wed Jun 10, 2009 9:25 am

Just out of curiousity, who are you supporting Steve?

Duh nevermind didn't read properly!!
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Re: Refereeing decisions last season

Post by torresexual on Wed Jun 10, 2009 10:33 am

wow Steve, that’s some list, I like it though, well done. I've quite often wondered how many favourable decisions from referees that the big clubs and in particular United appear to get. (Refs tend to freeze more at Old Trafford, biggest crowd etc) It all evens out over the season huh, I’ve always doubted his statement, now I have a bit of proof to back this up. Can’t wait to hear from some United fans on this one.

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Post by Blackburnbob on Wed Jun 10, 2009 11:25 am

Brian is nr 1 United fan m8 lol Taylor will have an opinion when he comes on too Very Happy
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Re: Refereeing decisions last season

Post by Brian on Wed Jun 10, 2009 1:23 pm

Just looking back at a few moments that Steve kindly ignored:

United's goal against Arsenal in May was incorrectly ruled offside. Replays prove Ronaldo was kept onside by Sagna - meaning Ji Sung Park's goal should have stood and United would have grabbed a 1-0 win (gain two points).

In December Premier League fans witnessed the most clear cut penalty when Boro defender Emmanuel Pogatetz gripped Ronaldo by the neck during a corner kick. Should have been a penalty - instead nothing was given. Steve didn't like to mention that one, eh? No debates about it - outrageous non-call.

In December when Hull had a 2-0 lead against Liverpool, here's what Steve decided to ignore: "Hull City can feel unlucky not to have beaten Liverpool for the first time in 13 attempts. Having taken an early two-goal lead, the Tigers loooked to be on course for a shock win at Anfield. Steven Gerrard stepped into rescue the Reds with a timely brace but the first should not have been allowed. City defender Michael Turner was blatantly pushed in the back by Albert Riera before the ball arrived at the captain’s clinical feet." Courtesy of The Right Result

I'm too lazy to pull up the rest...

So, Steve, good attempt at doing what The Right Result does, but unlike you they watch every single game, so they can truly be the ones to decide if calls even out. If you only pick incidents that suit your theory, then of course you can make it work out that way.

In fact, as The Right Result points out, United's points (and a few other teams) actually DID even out. Liverpool, meanwhile, should have one point removed after taking into consideration all of their incidents this season. Boro, meanwhile, should feel hard done by as referees cost them 7 points and Premier League survival.

You can see full statistics here: http://www.rightresult.net/statistics/

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Re: Refereeing decisions last season

Post by Tay Fish on Wed Jun 10, 2009 1:49 pm

At first I was really starting to like your list Steve (although I am a Manchester United fan), but then I started to realize something...missing a foul/booking doesnt necessarily predict the future...as Brian said: how are we supposed to know that someone else wouldnt score in place of somebody who is serving a one game suspension?? We have no idea. Any team could have a better performance. If someone is given the chance to step up in place of a suspended player then they could have the game of their lives. We can never really know, and that is why i can only take your list with a grain of salt.

Sure you found some refereeing decisions that may have gone awry...but you didn't find EVERY decision. these are just a VERY SELECT few.

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Post by Blackburnbob on Wed Jun 10, 2009 2:06 pm

I don't think Steve should come under too much fire, due to the fact he is not supporting anyone in question, if he was pool or United then fair enough there could have been some bias but as he doesn't then it's an outsiders view on the league and the refs. I get what Taylor and Brian are saying too about certain facts not changing games etc, now i agree with Steve on the decision making and ref's maybe the scores could have been but that can't be changed, which is what B+T are putting across, at the same time though, lot of them decisions were truly awful.
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Re: Refereeing decisions last season

Post by SteveDale on Wed Jun 10, 2009 4:27 pm

Brian wrote:

In December Premier League fans witnessed the most clear cut penalty when Boro defender Emmanuel Pogatetz gripped Ronaldo by the neck during a corner kick. Should have been a penalty - instead nothing was given. Steve didn't like to mention that one, eh? No debates about it - outrageous non-call.

In December when Hull had a 2-0 lead against Liverpool, here's what Steve decided to ignore: "Hull City can feel unlucky not to have beaten Liverpool for the first time in 13 attempts. Having taken an early two-goal lead, the Tigers loooked to be on course for a shock win at Anfield. Steven Gerrard stepped into rescue the Reds with a timely brace but the first should not have been allowed. City defender Michael Turner was blatantly pushed in the back by Albert Riera before the ball arrived at the captain’s clinical feet." Courtesy of The Right Result

Sorry missed the Boro one but Man Utd still won that game so it didn't affect the result

And i had Hull to beat Liverpool 1-2 because of that incident

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Post by Brian on Wed Jun 10, 2009 5:41 pm

Aha...I'm starting to see something in your theory then, Steve. So United may get screwed over by the refs, but they always grind out a victory anyways. Looks like the calls could indeed even out over the course of a season now, doesn't it?

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Re: Refereeing decisions last season

Post by Andy on Thu Jun 11, 2009 3:39 am

I have to say that was a thoroughly good read. Whilst i agree with most of it.. are you sure you're not a closet 'Pool fan? Seems a bit biased towards them..
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